Curse

brokenaussie · Oct 11, 2006, 12:38 PM // 12:38

My reply to this bah, 12 ectos in 13 months, 13 shards in 13 months, SF now what a joke after farming other areas and doing side missions upto 57 runs and still counting no greens, Factions, 1 lousy green Tin Dao Staff since release, and they say everone is equal bah what a joke, or should I say maybe these guys who run the show for GW only look after m8s/ or is there a hacking program out there for the drops which steal others drops?
I was on a run(FOW) the other morning gr8 group it was I have to say one bloke died once and no other deaths, I was the necro with br/ss/ss/rh/de/pb/ss res sig, I would first cast my echos out then hit the monks and ele with br I thought that was a good idea, well everyone was happy apart from me no bloody shards or magic items drops for me and I stress not one(only from chest when I used keys), well there was very very lucky bloke/sheila in the group he got a perfect crystalline sword req8 15^50, others got shards or very close to perfect items from drops and chests and what do I get the absolute crap drops all white bah, anyway after approx 4hrs we all decide to call it out only 1 bloke offered me a shard I rejected the offer and said m8 you need it for later on in the game, while others said good job m8 with the ss/ss/br. The total of shards dropped on that run was an amazing 17 shards. Now if these are supposed to be fair drops where I see others getting 3-5 shards per run and I get none how is this fair??

makosi · Oct 11, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Persistence is the key.

You can't do anything to ensure you get good drops because everyone would simply do whatever it is that would imporove your loot. Like they say, time is money, and if you keep at something you'll eventually get rares, ectos and shards.

Alternatively, you can become a bot or sweatshop farmer because they're never short of perfect fellblades.

Amity and Truth · Oct 11, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I'd really love some kind of loot balancing. I know that it balances out over time but i'd rather have it balance out in a single instance. It's sometimes downright frustrating and can spoil the fun for days to come if all you get is a lousy shard while someone else is bathing in dozens of them. It's frustrating. You've put the same work and time into it after all :/

NJudson · Oct 12, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Well, I have to say that I just hit the luckiest point since I started playing GW 11 months ago. In 1 run in Tombs last night and 1 run in Sorrow's Furnace tonight I picked up the following greens:

Victo's Maul
Elswyth's Recurve Bow
Drago's Flatbow
Garbok's Cane
Vokur's Staff
Galigord's Stone Scroll
Grognar's Sword

Last night was the first time I've farmed in about 2 weeks so I have had a bit of a break from it, but this is insane. I know Drago's is worth much more, but since I play a lot of BP farming the Elswyth's Recurve bow was my favorite pickup. It's awesome when you combine barrage with a 5-1 vamp bow + Vigorous Spirit.

Of course, now I probably won't see another green for a long time now...

Sasuke The Betrayer · Oct 12, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

I was happy to get 5 greens in one SF run, although they were all around the 2k zone... A person gets Drago's Flatbows which was worth more hten all my drops combined and I get pisse doff

One Tall Amazon Btch · Oct 12, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Well I agree it's not balanced at all.. I have a guildie who has A monk and A mesmer.. He goes out and plays with a full crew of henchman and he is constantly getting greens or rare golds ... Now if I go out with my ranger and warrior in the same areas with the same henchman.. I get squat.. I killed 10 bosses one night in various areas and most of them ( bosses) didn't even give me gold...

Safe to say it's not balanced well... And with the up and coming triple drop chance green weekend, which I have to work that weekend , but I will make time to test it.. Well shall see

Jedi Battousai · Oct 15, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

2 days ago I go in the UW (first time this week) and I see 3 ecto drop in a total of 4 runs (1 was mine).

Yesterday I go in the UW and see 1 ecto drop in 4 runs (not mine).

I waited for a guildie and he got on 10 minutes later and we proceeded to get 5 ecto in 3 runs, not to mention 7 golds, money to pay my entrance fee (I paid the 1k) and a run where there were 2 chests, both gold.

explodemyheart · Oct 15, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by brokenaussie

My reply to this bah, 12 ectos in 13 months, 13 shards in 13 months, SF now what a joke after farming other areas and doing side missions upto 57 runs and still counting no greens, Factions, 1 lousy green Tin Dao Staff since release, and they say everone is equal bah what a joke, or should I say maybe these guys who run the show for GW only look after m8s/ or is there a hacking program out there for the drops which steal others drops?
I was on a run(FOW) the other morning gr8 group it was I have to say one bloke died once and no other deaths, I was the necro with br/ss/ss/rh/de/pb/ss res sig, I would first cast my echos out then hit the monks and ele with br I thought that was a good idea, well everyone was happy apart from me no bloody shards or magic items drops for me and I stress not one(only from chest when I used keys), well there was very very lucky bloke/sheila in the group he got a perfect crystalline sword req8 15^50, others got shards or very close to perfect items from drops and chests and what do I get the absolute crap drops all white bah, anyway after approx 4hrs we all decide to call it out only 1 bloke offered me a shard I rejected the offer and said m8 you need it for later on in the game, while others said good job m8 with the ss/ss/br. The total of shards dropped on that run was an amazing 17 shards. Now if these are supposed to be fair drops where I see others getting 3-5 shards per run and I get none how is this fair??

Periods are your friend.

And... who ever said anything about fair? Random !=fair. Nothing is fair, anywhere... ever. If you're old enough to type, I'd assume you were old enough to have recognized that by now.

Spader · Oct 15, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

okay people love formulas. i'll toss in mine fresh from this morning.
Spader kills about 24 monsters in about 6 minuets. he spent 2 hours farming this morning among the drops 2 golds, 3 purples a couple of dozen blue, lots of whites, 1 dyes and a few no drops.

so it'd break down to
1/240 gold
1/160 purple
not quite 1 in 20 blue wasn't keeping track of them
1/480 no possible dye though i've heard its seprately random.

felt like 1 of the warrior types wouldn't drop anything randomly and there were about 6 in a mob.

Not officail numbers just what it seemed like on the mobs I use.

Shyft the Pyro · Oct 17, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Had a different experience in UW this past weekend.

Took my main E/Mo in as a 55. Haven't entered with him for close to 2 weeks. Result = 2 ecto drops, 1 mine.

Right after, took my R/W into a 4-man trap team which turned into 3-man as 1 guy never loaded. Haven't entered with her in close to 5 months, as I believe I favored Tombs b/p over UW trapping to get the XP points my ranger needed for Factions skills. Result = 1 rare storm bow and 2 ecto drops, 1 ecto mine.

If my theory of "beginner's luck" is still true, it has to be based on account activity rather than character activity. I realize there's a lot of "contingent" provisions in the theory, but I just read this for my Educational Psychology class:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anita Woolfolk, Educational Psychology, 10th Ed.

When people are learning a new behavior, they will learn it faster if they are reinforced for every correct response. This is a continuous reinforcement schedule. Then, when the new behavior is mastered, they will maintain it best if they are reinforced intermittently rather than over time.

So this is the whole reason a change in the drop system would make sense when someone enters a zone for the first time in months. Continuous reinforcement makes repeating that behavior more likely, and drops "normalize" later to switch to intermittent reinforcement.

Iscana · Oct 17, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

It's a matter of luck I think, as well it depends if you ever have been there and if you have, it depends what you did.
I never farmed and when I farmed in Kryta near Temple of the Ages, I got 3 black dyes in just killing 5 enemies. (have to commit, this were my first 3 black dyes ever found) Anyways, I got later on in FoW with my Rt/Me with a group to test builds and mess around, do some quests for armor crafting and stuff, and yes oure complete team were noobs and all of us got at least 3 Obisidian Shards included me for all of us 1st time FoW and btw we completed all quests.

-Old 3FL- · Oct 17, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

I always get a gold / ecto when i enter Uw.
Usually i do 2/3runs. Stop. Comer back next day / hour or 2 later and i get good drops again.
More u farm repetitivley less uget

Tainek · Oct 17, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

People eat more ice cream when there are many seagulls in the sky, so seagulls make people eat more ice cream

You get better drops after not having been there in a while, what proof do you have not having been there caused this?

Repeat after me, Correlation does not equal Causation

DeathByAmor · Oct 17, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I used to Duo smite runs with my necro and a 55 monk and there were runs where we would not get one single ecto. Now I solo UW with my necro and I get anywhere from 2-5 ectos every run and it only takes me 15 minutes or a little more. Let me repeat that for ya. I never ever have a dry run. I always get ectos. The only thing that is random is how many I end up getting. The run does takes some patience when you are timing the nightmare pops, but once you can consistently kill the nightmares you are golden cause everything else is cake. When I say cake I mean it. You can literally tank EVERYTHING in the smite areas including all the colds at once.

XvArchonvX · Oct 17, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathByAmor

I used to Duo smite runs with my necro and a 55 monk and there were runs where we would not get one single ecto. Now I solo UW with my necro and I get anywhere from 2-5 ectos every run and it only takes me 15 minutes or a little more. Let me repeat that for ya. I never ever have a dry run. I always get ectos. The only thing that is random is how many I end up getting. The run does takes some patience when you are timing the nightmare pops, but once you can consistently kill the nightmares you are golden cause everything else is cake. When I say cake I mean it. You can literally tank EVERYTHING in the smite areas including all the colds at once.

I'm sure A-net coded ecto drops to specifically drop more often in necro solo runs than in duo runs. *sigh*

Gotta love the flawed logic people whip up to explain drop rates as something beyond random.

@Tainek's quote: Couldn't have said it better myself.

DeathByAmor · Oct 17, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by XvArchonvX

I'm sure A-net coded ecto drops to specifically drop more often in necro solo runs than in duo runs. *sigh*

Gotta love the flawed logic people whip up to explain drop rates as something beyond random.

@Tainek's quote: Couldn't have said it better myself.

It is not flawed logic exactly. I just think that the code is designed to give better rewards for what it is preprogrammed to be a more difficult situation. Shouldn't there be an increased reward for someone able to kill 20-30 smites all at once by themselves or a group of 3-10 smites on a duo run? I would say that the code gives better drops when someone is soloing because of the difficulty involved in it. The general belief is that since the AoE nerf it is nearly impossible to solo UW and I am willing to bet that is included in the logic for the drops in UW. All I know is that if I make a trip to UW alone with my necro I can bring back several ectos and 5 or more gold drops. It just always works out that way. I am not gonna complain. I'll just continue to reap the benefits until something changes.